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- IETF STEERING GROUP (IESG)
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- REPORT OF THE MEETING OF
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- March 19th, 1992
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- Reported by:
- Greg Vaudreuil, IESG Secretary
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- This report contains
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- - Meeting Agenda
- - Meeting Attendees
- - Meeting Notes
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- Please contact IESG Secretary Greg Vaudreuil for more information.
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- Attendees
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- Almquist, Philip / Consultant
- Borman, David / Cray Research
- Chiappa, Noel
- Crocker, Dave / TBO
- Crocker, Steve / TIS
- Coya, Steve / CNRI
- Davin, Chuck / MIT
- Estrada, Susan / CERFnet
- Gross, Philip / ANS
- Hinden, Robert / SUN
- Hobby, Russ / UC-DAVIS
- Huizer, Erik / SURFnet
- Piscitello, Dave/ Bellcore
- Reynolds, Joyce / ISI
- Stockman, Bernard / SUNET/NORDUnet
- Vaudreuil, Greg / CNRI
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- IAB Guests
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- Hans Werner Braun / SDSC
- Lyman Chapin /BBN
- Jon Postel / ISI
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- Agenda
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- 1. Planing for IETF Growth
- 1.1 Protocol Quality Control
- 1.2 Area Director Work Load
- 1.3 Secretariat Support
- 1.4 Working Group Management
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- 2. Interaction with the Coalition for Network Information (CNI)
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- 3. Internationalization
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- 4. Ownership of Standards
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- 5. Common Services
- 1.1 RPC
- 1.2 International Character Sets
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- 6. Road Group Follow-up
- 1.1 Class B and C Net Number Assignment Policies
- 1.2 New Working Group Formation.
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- Minutes
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- 1. Planning for IETF Growth
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- The IETF is facing a continuing period of growth. With this growth
- an increase of management attention is needed to insure consistent
- high quality, and to avoid dropping important items.
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- 1.1 Protocol Quality Control
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- The number of protocols that the IETF is creating is rising rapidly.
- The IESG is responsible for reviewing each of these protocols and
- insuring that they meet a standard of quality. To better support
- the IESG's increasing workload, better tracking and reporting must
- be done by the Secretariat.
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- ACTION: Coya -- Document the IESG standards process identifying the
- various states a document may be in. Incorporate this information into
- the IETF tracking system. Status information should be made available
- in IETF directories and included in the IMR.
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- 1.2 Area Director Work Load
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- The IESG members are volunteers. With the increase in the number of
- Working Groups, and the increased activity across the IETF, the work
- load on Area Directors is high. It is currently difficult for an
- Area Director to track the progress of work in his/her area. The
- IETF Secretariat maintains a database of current status, but there
- is little reporting of activities.
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- Many members were unclear about what their responsibilities are to
- review work in other IETF Areas. Some felt responsible only for
- their area while others felt responsible for all IESG work. After
- discussion, the IESG agreed that the primary responsibility is for
- the AD's respective area, with a secondary responsibility to aid in
- the review of work in other areas where needed.
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- It was noted that the IESG spends a large amount of time working on
- defining the process. The procedures are created on an as needed
- basis anytime a special case arises. It was suggested that a
- "procedures" retreat be called to document at once the procedures of
- the IESG, but no immediate plans were made. A strong first step
- would be to document the current understanding of the process.
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- ACTION: Hobby, Stockman, Coya, Dave Crocker, and Huizer -- Write the
- current IESG Operational procedures into the IETF Handbook.
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- 1.3 Secretariat Support
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- The IESG discussed the tracking requirements, and agreed that
- reporting current status needs to be improved. The Area Directors
- agreed that a notification of expired goals and milestones report,
- and a protocol action report would be helpful. There is a sense that
- the IETF Secretariat is short of resources for aiding the IESG. A
- comprehensive examination of the secretariat operation was not
- possible during this meeting, however, there was a desire for a
- fuller understanding of the actual work done in the secretariat.
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- ACTION: Coya -- Identify those areas where work in unable to be
- completed due to lack of resources.
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- 1.4 Working Group Management
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- One aspect of IETF growth that the IESG felt it could begin to
- control is the proliferation of Working Groups. Working Groups are
- forming at a rate much higher that their rate of conclusion. While
- these new Working Groups have good merit, there was a sense that
- there should be a higher hurdle to formation. The current hurdle to
- formation is already larger that it has been traditionally. The
- charters are now reviewed by the IESG and IAB in addition to the
- review of the Area Director prior to chartering. Groups interested
- in forming a Working Group are encouraged to hold a BOF session at
- the IETF Plenary sessions to demonstrate community interest in the
- topic.
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- Working Group charters are only recently being written in such a
- manner that purpose of the group is specific, and the goals and
- milestones can be tracked. This has led to the creeping, ever
- expanding working group charter. Better management of specific
- groups is needed.
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- The number of BOF's are also increasing at IETF meetings in addition
- to the number of Working Groups. By raising the hurdle for working
- group formation, the IESG has encouraged BOF sessions. Several
- groups have opted to meet repeatedly as BOF's rather than charter as
- Working Groups. The IESG is concerned by this practice and
- discussed, but did not adopt a specific restriction that a group may
- meet only once at IETF as a BOF.
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- One aspect to the increasing number of working group sessions is the
- growing attendance at IETF meetings. Working Groups are
- increasingly spending time educating the newcomer in both the
- procedures and the technical content of a group. While other formal
- standards bodies have specific rules to deal with newcomers, the
- IETF has relied upon strong chairman to insure the group makes
- progress. The ability to control the meeting is affected by the
- understanding for the rules and guidelines. These are automatically
- being sent to all new IETF Working Group Chairmen.
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- 2. Internationalization
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- The IESG discussed the need for closer interaction with non-US
- attendees. The goal of an European meetings was greeted by all with
- approval. The current logistical question is one of funding.
- Attending European meetings are significantly more expensive for US
- attendees that the same meeting in the US.
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- The IESG discussed the perceived requirement that IETF working
- groups meet at least once at an IETF plenary session. This is
- encouraged to give a working group the broadest exposure within the
- IETF, however, this practice, especially for OSI Integration groups
- tends to have the appearance of "Paying Homage to Caesar". Many (if
- not most) OSI experts are European, and most are unable to travel
- out of country. The IESG affirmed the policy that Working Groups,
- while encouraged to meet at IETF plenaries, are not required to do
- so.
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- Erik Huizer briefed the IESG on the current reorganization of the
- RARE technical bodies. Rare appears to be talking on a structure
- roughly analogous to the IETF/IESG/IAB structure, with the analogue
- for IETF Areas, each for specific applications. The current Working
- Groups, analogous to IETF areas, are File Transfer, Directory Users
- Services and Support, Connection Oriented/Connectionless
- Interworking, VTAM and X-Windows over OSI, ATM/ High Speed
- Networking, and Security and Network Management.
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- ACTION: Huizer -- Prepare a preliminary outline of a report on
- internationalization to serve as a starting point to help the IESG
- prepare such a report for the IAB on.
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- 3. Proposal for Joint X.500 CNI Work
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- The Coalition for Network Information has asked the IESG via Joyce
- Reynolds, to consider working together to develop X.500 applications
- and standards such as WAIS. After discussing the proposal, the IESG
- agreed that coordination is a good goal, but that the IETF did not
- have the resources to designate a specific liaison person. CNI is
- welcome to attend IETF meetings and participate in the relevant
- X.500 Working Groups.
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- 4. Ownership of Standards
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- The IAB and IESG have been engaged in discussions on the proper
- "home" for protocols in the standards process. The IESG has
- traditionally disbanded working groups after the publication of the
- Proposed Standard, leaving the responsibility for evolving the
- protocol to the IESG or the IETF as a whole. This practice has come
- under criticism in the context of protocols which originate outside
- the IETF and have no originating working group. Several advantages
- can be gained by continuing a working groups existence indefinitely,
- including providing a forum for implementors to exchange
- experiences, and to assume responsibility for the progression
- through the standards track.
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- There was a sense that the act of forming an IETF working group
- requires significant scarce resources that may be better utilized.
- Recognizing that IETF review need to be proportional to community
- interest, it was unwilling to create a new policy that all standards
- must originate from an IETF working group.
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- TOPICS NOT DISCUSSED
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- 5. Common Services
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- 6. ROAD Work
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